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Message started by stax2004 on Sep 25th, 2003 at 10:01pm

Title: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by stax2004 on Sep 25th, 2003 at 10:01pm
No one replies to most threads. What is the point of this forum? People ask for help and no one gives it. Where has the compassion among us gone?

If anyone needs help with any criminal issue, email me and I guarantee you will get a reply within 6 hours.

stax2004@hotmail.com


Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by ClareMsUK on Oct 2nd, 2003 at 2:06am
Thankyou I thought it was just me that felt that way!
:-*

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by scottishlaw on Oct 2nd, 2003 at 5:06am
I could delete this thread, but I'm not going to.  You have a point.

I have no knowledge of nor interest in criminal law so sorry, won't be taking advantage of your free criminal law advice from a random stranger offer.

I do have to object to the "waste of time" comment.  If you don't like it, then go somewhere else.  Oh, wait a second - there isn't somewhere else is there?

There are a lot of benefits to this forum, but it does have its flaws.  Is your comment addressed at this site and its forums or at the Scottish legal profession in general?

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by scottishlaw on Oct 2nd, 2003 at 5:17am
Stax,

I've checked your past messages.  You are quite a good contributor to the forum.  Don't feel too disheartened.  You can go for a while replying to people and not receive anything back but once in a while you do.

Would be interested in hearing your thought on the site generally.

Got any?

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by jl1985 on Oct 5th, 2003 at 12:47am
I would agree with your comments upto a point. I myself have attempted to answer some of the threads (when time allowed) even though i'm not a qualified solicitor, but do possess a law degree.   When you think about it, the comment is in all probably directed towards the Scottish legal profession, and where they are concerned i leave you with this cynical thought.
All the threads are potential 'customers' to the legal profession are they not?
Why then should they provide free legal advice when they, or fellow members of their profession, can charge for it?

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by Colin-MacK on Oct 6th, 2003 at 7:56pm
Well, I studied law too, but became a journalist... and then a flying instructor.

From a business point of view, newspapers such as the Sunday Mail publish legal queries because it interests the readers, and boosts sales.

From a lawyer's point of view, perhaps reading about legal cases involving others might encourage people to consult about their "specific" circumstances... and thus create chargeable time.

In fact, solicitors often have "first meeting free" offers to tempt customers. So a forum could be an extension of that.

At Old College there was a weekly evening session run by students to give legal advice (with the help of lecturers, I suppose). Maybe enlisting the help of teaching staff and their students would be an idea?

Best wishes to all,

Colin

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by drs on Oct 13th, 2003 at 3:55pm
Hope you don't mind me adding my comments.
I am an IT professional with no involvement in the legal system. I have personally posted two threads which have had no replies. Although this is disappointing I can understand that it is down to good will at this stage.
Although personally I disagree with the waste of time aspect I can see how a lot of similar people are frustrated with no replies to there posts. The debate on this could be endless.
As each individual is hoping for a reply that can direct them accordingly, a suggestion would be that every post is given at least a basic reply from forum admin, something like:
1. YES - you are advised to seek professional legal advice - there may be a case.
2. NO - you do not have a case.
3. MORE INFO REQ - more information would be required to comment further.
4. Free legal advice is given and the post replied to in full.

This is just a suggestion - it depends on how you want this forum to go.

I believe that a lot of people are just probing to see if it is worth while seeking legal help before encurring potential high costs. Some may just want to get free advice but with the correct feedback mechanism all parties may achieve satisfaction.

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by Forum Admin on Oct 14th, 2003 at 4:50am
I think that is a very good point.

My problem with that approach has always been that I thought that if a post looked as if it had been satisfactorily answered by someone then other visitors would not take the time to add their own comments.

Is the general consensus that the reason this forum doesn't get as many helpful replies as it might do is because I don't post enough?

The whole reason for this forum was to reduce the number of e-mails I receive asking for help through the site.  As far as I'm concerned this has been a huge success but I do recognise that many of the queries do not go answered.  That is a problem that I would like to address.

Has anyone any suggestions?

I will try and keep an eye on posts more often and post helpful suggestions where I can.  Sorry for not doing this so often in the past.

More importantly, the development of Scottish Law Online is my primary focus.  The site's main entry page is http://www.scottishlaw.org.uk and much of my time is devoted to developing new ideas and areas for this.

I would like to see Scottish Law Online branch out into a Europe-wide coverage of issues of relevance to Scottish lawyers, students and academics.  If you have any suggestions please post them - no matter how abprupt you want to make your comment.

Kind regards,

Kevin Crombie.


Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by drs on Oct 15th, 2003 at 6:09pm
Thanks you for the last post Kevin. It has cleared things up a little for me.

Perhaps you may want to look at the people who actually log onto the site.

There appears to be two identifiable groups here

1. Legal people looking for legal help and resources.
2. Non-legal people looking for legal advice or direction.

I would suggest trying to split the two groups. You appear to have the first group pretty much taken care off with your existing site.

The second group is the problem. Perhaps a new area could be created for this group of people. My previous suggestion of every post getting a basic answer could be applied to posts in this area.

Why do I persue this basic answer course of action?

I believe that a lot of requests or posts are from people that do not know whether they should persue legal action or not. We quite simply are looking for professional guidance without potential hugh costs. A basic response from professionals in the business could provide that much needed guidance.

It may require support by your colleagues however but it also could generate business for local firms.

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by stax2004 on Nov 4th, 2003 at 3:51am
Hello again. Sorry about the delay in replying to this thread but I was incarcerated in Barlinnie on a charge of "liking the music of Celine Dion" which had been hanging over my head since I was spotted at her July 8th 1999 concert at Murrayfield Stadium.

I didn't mean to be disrespectful towards those who run and manage this site. I apologise for my tone in the initial thread.

SORRY!!!!!!!

I think this site has far too many sections. I also believe that the site has no direction. It would be a better place with fewer sections and more specialised areas being signposted.

An advisory service would be a great idea, as mentioned above, that offers people in need of legal help to consult on here first then decide their next move in the real world. People need reassurance with law matters. This site could be great if it provided a first stop cutting edge legal advice service for everyone in Scotland. Free of charge I may add. Ok, who would give out the advice? I am not sure on that, but there must be someone out there with legal knowledge and compassion? I think it is a total disgrace that someone could be misrepresented in court because money is a factor.

Wouldn't it be great if people in Scotland knew the name of this forum like they do other great public services?

In short, someone gets charged with a crime, they log on here and seek advice, anonymously, then, armed with a clear direction, they go off and fight for innocence.

Ok, sounds naive, but I am great believer in helping to make the world a better place.

Pass me that red button.....

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by Forum Admin on Nov 8th, 2003 at 7:01pm
I think these are all very good points.  They may turn out to be a little ime consuming to put into practice though.  The primary goal of the site was always to help people find information quickly.

You probably won't be too enthused by my aim to expand the site to cover the other 45 European countries then?  I think that may lead to more short term confusion but may pay off in the long term?

Any thoughts?

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by Forum Admin on Nov 24th, 2003 at 6:14am
Anyone have any suggestions for how I can turn this site into a database driven site?

The site is on a server that has perl, cgi, mysql, php installed?

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by stax2004 on Oct 29th, 2007 at 11:31pm
How time flies...

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by Forum Admin on Oct 29th, 2007 at 11:59pm
indeed

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by Deedee on Nov 8th, 2007 at 12:55pm
I try to reply to queries when I have time. Mostly though the information given is just not sufficient ot give a full anwer. On a few occasions my advice has resulted in a fairly unpleasant  reception.  Such reactions make me feel I would be better spending my time giving advice for which I get paid!

I agree though that there are too many sections and that 4 might do - for example.
1. Jobs 2. Studying/qualifying/Training 3. Queries from people working in law. 4. Queries from the public.

Must go back to earning a living.

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by yeclanika on Nov 21st, 2007 at 9:58am
Can you send me your contact details as the ones you have supplied are not working.
My direct contact is posibleali@msn.com

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by grumpy on Nov 26th, 2007 at 11:18am
I think it is obvious that some of the sections are just not being used so it should be asked why they should be kept. The most frequently used sections are those seeking advice and this is very useful for users who are often just asking if they have any rights and what they could do about them. That is a useful if not a vital service and should be continued and expanded. There is a hardcore of people who are willing to help (you know who you are!) and that's great.
In my book less is more and an all singing and dancing site that is not used fully is pointless. Concentrate on what you are good at and expand it!!
This forum is not a waste of time , just some parts of it. Just because someone posts a query that is unanswered may point to the nature of the query itself rather than the "advisors".

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by RR on Nov 26th, 2007 at 10:11pm
Good For You All ....This Site is not a waste of time .... Maybe frustrating for some who look for instant responses ....However , Take a look at the bigger Picture .... And read others responses ....Lots of very good advice out there and would answer a lot of stuff if read on a regular basis.... Remember it is a free for everyone site ....without cash up front....Or anytime for that matter... You want to take legal advice to court.... Within a few days???? ....  Find another place ....   Okay there is not another place to go.....Unless you hire a Lawperson...so .. GREAT SITE THERE ARE STILL FOLK WHO RESPECT WHATS ON OFFER... Get a grip and take the advice      (FREE)  I havent seen a lot of bad versions of Advice ..... Well okay some from Visitors who stay on the site for a few weeks and vanish!!!!!      But on the whole advice on this site is sound . Maybe not as fast as some would like to receive it ....But at the end of the day....You get as they say what you pay for.
What have you Paid ....Nil ....What have you Gained.... Knowlage....
That is.... Instant proper responces Cost        ....        if you have a court date on Monday .... Forget it .
And some who have legal Questions and Want to research May Find advice that is helpful.So why say this Forum is a waste of time .... Yes if you want a responce within a few mins of posting your Issue.... So Expect to wait for a responce ....Great sites like this run by Voulunters ... Are Great ... Dont Rubbish them ... Try ASK.Com or any other search engine if you feel you will get better.
I think some may feel this is some type of search engine and not a forum.
So What do you think of what i say as a regular reader of this forum do you Agree or What.

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by coullboy on Nov 27th, 2007 at 12:18am
I've just come back to this site after a bit of an absence cos I thought yipee a site that'll give you a wee bit of free advice just to get Joe public on the way.

But after going through some of the questions for advice/help.It is remarkable how many people take the time and effort to sit and read the post but never reply why ??? how ignorant and self obcessed some of the legal profession are.

As one person says all we "lay men" are looking for is a starter for ten and then we'll head off down to our nearest solicitor/lawyer and take the matter on a more formal footing.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the forum its the "up my own ar#e with importance" legal people who read and don't bother offering any advice.

some of you guys aren't worth the money .....  

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by grumpy on Nov 28th, 2007 at 11:51am
To be fair I, for example will look at most queries but will only offer an opinion where I have the experience in that field to comment usefully. So yes, I will read queries and not answer them. What's wrong with that? Read RR's post!

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by scottishlaw on Nov 28th, 2007 at 3:39pm
me too

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by Norse_mann on Nov 28th, 2007 at 6:08pm
I have to add my voice to that of RR, Grumpy and Scottishlaw, I pop into the forum on a fairly regular basis to check out recent posts, if I am able to help the person I will reply. I do not however enjoy the law so much that I will spend my own rather limited free time researching an area I do not practice in in order to answer a rather non-specific query about contact orders or similar.

coullboy> you don't think we're worth the money! as any advice here is given free, I'll happily give you a full refund.

I would like to reiterate Dees point about politeness etc, while there are quite a few unanswered queries on here there are also a LOT of answered ones with no wee post at the end saying thanks, there are also posts where a sensible common sense reply has been met with a rather rough rebuff from the OP.



Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by RR on Nov 28th, 2007 at 8:01pm
What a website
Dec 6th, 2006

Can I Add that last year I started the topic What a website.
I stand by it now as I did then.
This is not a search engine.
And As I stated you get what you pay for.
Rubbishing information based on the fact you dont like the responses you may receive is no way to Judge whats on offer here.
Okay some questions go unanswered the reasons for that have been clearly explained by Grumpy, Norseman and scottishlaw . Thats not forgeting all the others who offer advice wherther welcome or not.
Lets look at how this all started Stax2004 Says He/She will give advice within a 6 hour period.
Cant think of many who could answer some Questions i could put up in this time period!!!.

Stax2004 then says would it not be great if we could get Free legal advice.
Yes i so agree with Stax on this . And Is this whats not on offer on this site.YES IT IS.
An Ideal Scotland With free avice. We could all dream about it Dream is the Word here i think.
Well this site maybe the dream.
Free for all Without any costs.

As previously Mentioned You get what you pay for.


RR

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by coullboy on Nov 29th, 2007 at 11:42pm
To everyone on this site I've offend with my last comments ,my most sincere apologises that all came out wrong very wrong, very sorry.
And yes grumpy me and my next door neighbours are still having our Land Dispute with our neighbours and the local Authority, I'll take on board your advice and chill ....

Guess I just let matters get the better of me

once again VERY SORRY :-[

Its as I said a good site

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by RR on Dec 2nd, 2007 at 1:22am
Can I just make another small point here .
Not everyone who reads the Issues are from the Legal proffesion.
So if you get say 20 Views maybe a few of them are read by the Legal team.
Views at this point . Mean people who have read your post.
Out of the 20.
15+ are read by regular everyday people outwith the legal proffesion.
Some things I read i have a view on but I dont feel my advice would help.
Some take the common sence approach. Others are more complex.
Give the site a chance.
Stop Rubbishing it Thanks.


Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by zurich_allan on Dec 2nd, 2007 at 11:10pm
Absolutely have to add my support here. Since I first stumbled on this forum around a year ago I have found it to often have interesting issues being discussed and check the forum every day even though there may be nothing new. I have previously offered information on areas that I know or have experience in, but at other times I would read though not reply for the simple reason that I don't have the correct information off the top of my head, and don't have enough hours in the day to fully read up and refresh my knowledge! I think sometimes the expectations of some members of the public are borderline insane as they expect a lawyer often to know the answer to EVERY legal question on ANY area of the law immediately. It's crazy.

As some have pointed out there have been various cases here where members have given information or advice and had nothing but a mouthful of abuse in response just because the answer isn't what the poster might have wanted, which is a shame really.

I think the forum is a very good avenue for members of the public to ask questions and have information given, especially so since there really isn't anything else like it.

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by RR on Dec 16th, 2007 at 2:23am
Im not tyring to be Funny here .
But I put an Item up for sale on E-Bay.... I had over 500 Views .  
Only one person put a bid in on my for sale item.
This is the same with this site. 500+ viewings.
(There is obviously a difference)
But the point is ....Many people view your / Everyones Threads .
But one good statement of advice is Worth waiting for.
Same as getting a Solid Buyer.
This maybe not the best example I could put forward ....but I sold the Item.
So a Solid bit of Info is as good as a confirmed buyer.
Lots of Solid info available and not at E-BAY  Costs.




Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by ajgskye on Dec 22nd, 2007 at 10:32am
I agree

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by Michelle151 on Feb 2nd, 2009 at 8:37pm
if this form is a waste of time then why are u posting in it. im not in the legal profession im still at high school we all make suggestions to try and help each other and solve questions.

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by stax2004 on May 19th, 2009 at 11:19pm
So much has changed in 6 years since I created this topic.

:o

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by Lil Mo on May 20th, 2009 at 10:42am
Hi Every.  one,

Just feel that I have to make some comments about this - this is the best Forum around, everyone here offers the good, honest and helpful advice on a FREE basis.  You dont get much for free anywhere - but you do here.  I have often said to people that you sometimes have to wait for a reply until a Member who is experienced in a particular field is online, this could be the same day or next month.  But if something is that urgent they could always go and pay for a Lawyer, it is a free country after all.

On the very few occasions that I have asked for advice it has been given, and has been most helpful.  This is an excellent Forum and instead of criticising pehaps we should all take a moment and post our thanks to the person who set the whole thing up in the first place i.e. Kevin Crombie - who quite obviously has spent a considerable time and effort creating this Forum, and still continues to maintain it - Thank You Kevin!!

Also, if people think the Forum is a waste of time - well you know what you can do .............................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The same applies for the people (who know who they are) who are rude and condescending to other Members and Posters!!!!!!!

Mo   :) :)

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by stax2004 on May 20th, 2009 at 12:15pm
For the avoidance of doubt, this thread was created in 2003. At the time of its creation, the original point was a valid one.

Title: Re: THIS FORUM IS A WASTE OF TIME
Post by Lil Mo on May 20th, 2009 at 4:43pm
Yes - I had noticed that it was created in 2003 - but my point is very valid today.

Mo

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